I've always liked tattoos; the right tattoo on a woman can be very beautiful indeed. (The definition of "right" is highly subjective, of course, and will no doubt very from person to person. I tend to think that any tattoo involving pictures of Jesus nailed to a cross, or to anything else for that matter, or hearts with "Mother" written across them in fancy script, are not the right tattoo by any definition--but the end of the day, the only definition of 'right' that matters is that of the person who owns the tattoo. But I digress.
But until quite recently, I was blissfully unaware that tattoos on certain parts of the body were generally considered to be markers of questionable moral character, or that those who had tattoos were generally assumed to be sexually promiscuous.The term 'tramp stamp,' as clever as it sounds ("Oooh! It rhymes! It must be true if it rhymes! If the glove don't fit, the tramp stamp sits!" Or something) betrays what seems to me to be a very interesting idea about women. It's a short, simple, 21st-century slang term that packages sixteenth-century ideas about sex and sexuality in a handy, bite-sized piece.
It's hard to know where to begin. The notion that women who like sex are 'tramps' and therefore less worthy as human beings is pretty odious. On top of that is layered another blanket prejudice--the notion that a woman who wants to decorate a certain part of her body must necessarily be a woman who likes sex. (The tendency of human beings to invent stories in their heads to explain the motivations of other human beings, and the profound disconnect that exists between the stories we invent and the actual motivations of the people we invent these stories about, never ceases to amaze me.) Then, resting atop that like the cherry on a layer cake of stereotypes and prejudice, comes the notion that such a woman must not only enjoy sex, but be unselective about her choice of sex partners.
Now, when I first heard the expression 'tramp stamp,' I was like, "Okay, it rhymes, ha ha, very funny." It's only been recently that I've come to understand that there are folks who actually believe, like, for reals, that women who tattoo their backs are sexually promiscuous.
On another forum I read, there's a conversation going on about anal sex, and specifically about whether or not there are any women who actually enjoy it.Quite aside from the fact that I know rather a lot of women who enjoy giving it as well as receiving it (and thank God for that!), a surprising number of people maintain, often rather vigorously, that the woman who likes taking it up the ass doesn't exist. A handful of folks opine that women do it only to please their mates, and that this makes them sad and pathetic creatures (on the idea, apparently, that doing something that makes your lover happy is one of the most stupid things any sad wretch could ever want). Those folks are merely ignorant of the full range and depth of the human sexual experience, which is sad but not surprising.
Another vocal handful, however, were unable to maintain this notion in the face of a considerable number of posters who said "Hey, I like getting jiggy up the butt!" and finally conceded that there are women whofavor anal--but then insisted that these women are inferior as human beings. One poster even wrote, I was brought up to treat woman especially lovers as on a pedestal. All this time, by these statistics I could have been treating half of them like whores.
And I think that speaks volumes, too, about the prejudices that some people carry around with thim regarding the 'proper' way for women to be.
It would seem that this man treats women with respect only as far as they behave the way he wants them to, and the moment they deviate from his expectations about how they should be, he tears them down off that pedestal and judges them 'whores.' Which is pretty fucked up, if you ask me.
I can't quite rightly wrap my brain around the notion that a person's value centers on the way that person acts in bed, nor around the idea that a woman who digs it up the ass, no matter what other qualities she may have as a human being, determines her eligibility for respect.
Yes, I know that there was a time when a woman's value quite literally depended on her sex; that women were essentially bartered away by their fathers for use as breeding stock, and that in a day without paternity testing and with strict, if goofy, notions of inheritance and property rights, tracking a woman's sexual activity was important to issues of estate. That's also fucked up, and it hasn't been true (at least in the First World) for...err, rather a long time now.
What baffles me is how tenaciously these ideas cling to life.The guy who wrote the aforementioned bigoted nonsense defended this nonsense with a great deal of heat, at one point comparing anyone who thinks that anal sex is okay with the German Nazi party (I kid you not, though I seem to remember that the Nazis had their own views on anal sex, and it was probably more in line with this guy's than he might realize).
I wrote recently that when a person holds on to some idea in the face of contradictory evidence, it's usually because the idea is a distorted reflection of some part of that person's underlying emotional landscape, but in this particular case I'm quite flummoxed about what that emotional landscape might be. I simply can not figure out why someone would care so passionately, and become so emotionally upset, over the notion that a bunch of women he doesn't know and will never meet like taking a hard cock up the butt every now and then...or even don't like teh analz, but think it's okay if other women do.
Now we get to the part that might make some folks angry. This is the part where I say that, while musing on these notions that women who like sex are bad, women who get lower back tattoos are women who like sex, and therefore women who get lower tattoos are bad, and on the sorts of faulty wiring that can exist inside a person's head to make him believe that a woman who likes any kind of sex that he thinks she shouldn't like no longer deserves respect, I have reached the conclusion that there's a certain brand of feminism that seems bent on keeping things this way.In a completely different conversation on a completely unrelated forum, the topic came up, as it often does, about pornography and relationships. Several folks, many of whom identify as feminists, weighed in on the subject with the usual laundry list of criticisms--porn is coercive, porn is degrading to women, porn commoditizes women's sexuality, that sort of thing. One woman even went so far as to say, without apparent irony, that she has no respect for any woman who would be in porn.
Which, to my mind, is no different from the guy who says he has no respect for any woman who would receive anal sex.
Now, I know that feminism is often sharply divided over issues of porn and sex, with some feminists ardently opposed to it and other feminists ardently in favor of it. I've written about my own views on the subject in the form of a parody Socratic dialog on the virtues of porn, but the woman who claimed not to be able to respect anyone who did porn brought up an entirely new absurdity in my mind--the idea that anti-porn feminists have internalized the very patriarchal ideas they claim to oppose, and as a result are swallowing the very same patriarchal ideas about women and sex that they claim to refute.
When your ideological enemy agrees with you about the proper conduct of people, in the very areas where your ideological differences lie, I think it might be time to re-evaluate your ideas.
In a sense, the anti-porn feminists are accepting the core values of patriarchy, merely dressing them in different garments. They are, in fact, accepting the notion that a woman's sexual choices and sexual expressions should be limited, that women who make sexual choices that they don't agree with are inferior, and that some part of a woman's value does indeed rest on her sexuality. They are seeking to abridge both a woman's right to choose her own sexual expression and her freedom and range of sexual action, by labeling certain forms of sexual expression off-limits.And perhaps most ironically, the entire argument that porn is inherently objectifying and commoditizing is based on flawed assumptions.
Many anti-porn feminists argue that porn caters to men and reinforces oppressive male-centered sexual roles. Leaving aside the inconvenient fact that many, many women like porn (a fact that anti-porn feminists will often handwave away by the process of inventing stories to explain their motivations, saying things like 'they only believe they like porn because they've been brainwashed by patriarchal society into accepting subservient sexual roles'--that is, when they bother to acknowledge the fact at all), in reality if you look at the most patriarchal, the most repressive, the most rigidly conservative men out there, you will see that those men don't like porn either.
The idea that porn is the byproduct of repression and patriarchy does not stand up to scrutiny. Socially conservative men, those who most strongly subscribe to the notion of prescribed sexual roles for women, are quite often ardent opponents of porn themselves. These social conservatives--the ones who seek to control women's sexuality and who feel that women should be 'pure' and 'proper' and stay within rigid social norms--often will go so far as to say porn should be outlawed.
In fact, the Taliban, arguably the single most sexually repressive, patriarchal, anti-woman group the world has ever seen, ruled that possession of pornography was punishable by death.
The more patriarchal a society is, the more likely that society is to prohibit porn. The more socially conservative a person is and the more a person believes that women must obey rigid gender roles, the more likely it is that that person is opposed to porn. The more threatened a person is by women expressing their sexuality in non-traditional ways, the more likely it is that that person opposes porn. Porn is the byproduct of oppressive male patriarchy? Far from it; oppressive male patriarchy despises porn, and the more strictly a society seeks to impose gender roles on its members, the more strictly that society forbids pornography!
The same holds true for religion; the more socially conservative, sexually repressive a religious doctrine is, the more vigorously that doctrine opposes pornography. Look at the Southern Baptists, whose core doctrine says that a woman's place is to submit gracefully to the divine authority of her husband. How do you think the Southern Baptist Convention feels about pornography? (Let me give you a hint.)
It doesn't help, of course, that nobody can even define what porn is. "I can't define porn, but I know it when I see it," when it comes to brass tacks, is basically nothing but a way of saying "If it makes me feel a certain way, then it must be bad. If I see something and I don't feel that certain way, then it isn't porn, but if it causes certain feelings in me, then it is." Which is, I rather think, a piss-poor way of defining anything, especially for the purpose of determining if it should be socially accepted or not. (Anti-porn activist Catherine MacKinnon helped author Canada's anti-porn laws...laws which have enough subjective wiggle room that, in practice, they are routinely applied to gay and lesbian erotica but rarely or never applied to heterosexual erotica.)
There are, it would seem, many feminists who would like to live in a progressive, egalitarian society that treats women fairly, as full and equal citizens whose standing is identical to that of men...yet at the same time like to see this society free of porn.
And I don't think that's even possible.
A society which respects women as the equal of men, and which does not value its members on the basis of their sexual activities, will be a society in which there is porn. The more egalitarian that society is, the more mainstream that society is likely to be, for the very simple and obvious reason that there are people who dig making porn.
One anti-porn feminist argument is that porn is coercive. And this is true, in societies that don't accept porn. It exists in every society, without exception, even in places once ruled by the Taliban--but the more repressive a society is, the more underground the manufacture and distribution of porn becomes. When something goes underground, it tends to become corrupt, driven by the sorts of people who will abuse and coerce for profit. If the making of porn is illegal, which is what tends to happen in patriarchal societies, then the production of porn falls into the hands of criminal enterprise.Progressive societies tend not to have this problem; there is no need to force women into porn when porn is legal, because, like I said, some people dig being in porn. The human species is vast in its range of expression, and for some folks, being filmed in bed is fun. For other folks, it's a job, no different than any other, and a damn sight better than some. (You really want to know what objectification and exploitation is all about? Try working at a chicken processing plant, where workers, often poor or minority women, may be forced to wear diapers or piss their pants because their bosses refuse to let them leave the line to use the bathroom.)
Point is, people do, and enjoy, different things. Some women like tattoos. Some women like taking naughty pictures of themselves. Some women like being filmed for Gang Bang All Stars VII. That's all a normal and natural part of human expression, and like it or not, castigating entire classes of people or valuing them less because they do things that you don't like does not empower women, nor serve in the interests of freeing women from social constraints on their range of action.
Respect, real respect, must include respecting folks whose choices aren't like yours, so long as they do not seek to impose those choices on others. This is a test which the Taliban, the Southern Baptists, the folks who label women who like lower back tattoos as 'tramps,' and the anti-porn feminists all fail.
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November 19 2008, 20:00:36 UTC 4 years ago
Slut-shaming is an old and tired old anthem of oppression and hate. I don't know why that sector of self-proclaimed feminists is so eager to take up singing along with social conservatives.
November 19 2008, 20:30:43 UTC 4 years ago
If everyone nods their head and gravely intones "Yes, it is so", then the person who said that can feel good about being right. If a woman pipes up and says "Actually, I think it's pretty fun", then they can feel good about showing that poor deluded soul it's not really enjoyable, and anyone who disagrees has been mindwiped by the patriarchy.
Claiming to have more access to another persons mental state than they do is just about the most condescending thing I can imagine, and doesn't strike me as a particularly good way to increase their freedom if they believe the claim. If, on the other hand, one is trying to cultivate an army of sycophants....
Then again, I'm hearing this thirdhand and ranting about it, so what do I know about good argument?
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November 19 2008, 20:12:21 UTC 4 years ago
-nods solemnly- Wise words.
Godwin's law.
I thought there was a lot of sodomy in the SS?
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November 19 2008, 20:12:48 UTC 4 years ago
I'm sure, once or twice, you've run across a woman or two who rather got off on being called names in a sexual situation. Who'da thunk it?
Thing is, if there was this absolute acceptance across of the board of what got you off, where would be the emotional impact, perhaps the fun of the "naughtiness" of being talked to that way?
November 19 2008, 20:42:29 UTC 4 years ago
Speaking only for myself, as a person who also likes his partners to say these things, for me the emotional power doesn't come from the taboo nature of the actions or the names I'm being called in society, but rather from the perception of objectification by my partner. In other words, it's not that I'm in a position that's socially taboo; it's that I'm in a position where my partner is expressing that she's treating me as a sexual object. And that's something that's still possible even if social taboos were to disappear.
November 19 2008, 20:21:45 UTC 4 years ago
I do have a minor semantic quibble, though, with the lines:
"If the making of porn is illegal, which is what tends to happen in patriarchal societies, then the production of porn falls into the hands of criminal enterprise.
Progressive societies tend not to have this problem..."
The opposite of patriarchal is matriarchal, not progressive.
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November 19 2008, 20:30:26 UTC 4 years ago
Just as an example of how we women are blessed ;)
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November 19 2008, 20:37:32 UTC 4 years ago
sorta tears down that stereotype, eh?
Also on anal sex... I've never had actual anal sex with a partner before but I love to play with anal toys and such and if done right, that often leads to more intense orgasms than clit stimulation and/or vaginal penetration.
November 19 2008, 20:54:49 UTC 4 years ago
Originally I wanted to respond to your classification of "anti porn feminists" (wanted to say that I think it's sort of dangerous to apply that label to all women who oppose most pornography, since a lot of pornography does genuinely exploit both men and women in the most real sense- poor people, people with substance abuse problems, people with serious psychological trauma).
Then I was thinking about it and I think I missed the point there-- (unless I'm mistaken) you're saying that it's the women who say ALL porn is bad, ALL women who like porn is bad, ALL porn stars are horrid who qualify as anti-porn feminists because that's their major label they identify with, and that's dangerous.
I don't know if that made any sense at all, but thanks for getting my brain churning.
November 19 2008, 21:04:26 UTC 4 years ago
Porn does not have to be a bad thing, but the majority that is consumed is of the type you mentioned. As long as there is a demand for it, there will be a supply.
But yes, we must remain conscious about labels and categorizing...
Ok, I'm back to work!
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November 19 2008, 20:56:39 UTC 4 years ago
Now that's just crazy talk.
Nice deconstruction of the feminist anti-feminism argument :) I'm not sure it will convince many of them, but kudos for trying.
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November 19 2008, 21:05:32 UTC 4 years ago
If feminists have a large enough space to exist in, where we can disagree with each other without being considered, "not a real feminist", I wonder if pornographers can put out mutually exclusive views of sex and gender, and not be all lumped together in the same evil boat.
I think you're really talking about the bad stuff that happens when people only ever associate with other people who agree with them.
November 19 2008, 21:29:58 UTC 4 years ago
Well, yes and no. It seems there's a positive feedback loop; people encounter challenges to their ideas, recoil from those challenges while investing emotionally in their ideas, then seek the company of others who share those ideas as a defense against challenges. When they end up surrounded by folks who share those ideas, the ideas are reinforced, and become even less tolerant of challenges, and round and round it goes. Eventually oyu end up with absurdities such as a radical lesbian feminist activist writing legislation that is then used against lesbian literature, and folks who condemn women for being in porn on the grounds that it commoditizes sexuality and that's bad because women shouldn't be condemned for the sexual choices they make. :)
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November 19 2008, 21:07:21 UTC 4 years ago
'Tramp stamps'?
First I heard that term - I'd known them as 'ass-hats'. - ZMNovember 19 2008, 21:31:05 UTC 4 years ago
Re: 'Tramp stamps'?
Heh. I've only ever heard the term "ass-hat" used to describe people with particularly obnoxious or odious ideas, such as the idea that women should not be allowed to choose their own form of sexual expression.November 19 2008, 21:16:23 UTC 4 years ago
That statement is full of fail on SO many levels. How is it such a horrible chore to treat women (*especially* lovers!) with respect? And in what way should "whores" be treated differently, anyway?
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This would be, I'm guessing, because on some level he'd *love* anal sex, and he's pissed off that other people aren't torturing themselves by abstaining from it like he does. If people actually *like* getting it up the butt, then he can't get warm fuzzies from self-denial anymore.
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One of the thing that seems like a "problem" with porn is that the patriarchy is very, very good at using sex as an oppressive weapon. Enjoying anything sex-related but not letting that make a hole in my brain for the patriarchy to wiggle in through is just plain difficult. For some people, it's easier to just wave off porn entirely, but that's really an unfair thing to do.
The problem is the patriarchy; the casual misogyny that
I don't agree with them, but in my darker moments, when I notice just how hard it is for people to shake off misogyny, I sometimes have sympathy for that point of view. Even if, in the end, I'm not willing to throw out the proverbial baby with the bathwater.
November 20 2008, 14:51:34 UTC 4 years ago
If we look at the history of the feminist movement, we see women struggling and struggling for the right not only to have a hand in their own sexuality and the freedom to express that sexuality, but simply for the right to enjoy sex. Repressive, anti-woman societies appear to hate and fear wommen's orgasms, to the point that the most repressive of them will actually surgically mutilate women in order to ensure that sex can never be pleasurable.
So the feminist movement has fought very hard just to get to the point where society thinks it's OK for a woman to have an orgasm...only to see a small handful of self-described feminists go full circle and embrace the idea that they shouldn't enjoy sex. (I had one such person actually tell me "My feminist beliefs mean I can never enjoy sex with my boyfriend." Which makes me wonder: WTF kind of boyfriend does she have who would continue having sex with her knowing she doesn't enjoy it?)
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November 19 2008, 21:56:50 UTC 4 years ago
That's a real tattoo. Heather's a body piercer, tattoo artist, and nude/fetish model.
She got that tattoo as a deliberate slap to the people who use that phrase.
BTW, I see you posted Tristan's book... did you catch my comment the other day with the links to her LJ & LJ comm?
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November 19 2008, 22:39:14 UTC 4 years ago
.... you are putting this up with your other xeromag essays, right?
November 19 2008, 23:01:43 UTC 4 years ago
still does, it's just much more subtle now.
While this post is a lovely one about your discoveries and learning, and thoughts, it's still sad that this is a surprise to anyone. There should be more awareness of these realities.
November 20 2008, 15:05:34 UTC 4 years ago
In American society, a woman who's an unwed virgin is not completely at a loss for any future happiness. We don't demand dowries from the family of the bride, women can and do succeed in business and industry...if a woman's value depends on her sex, it's in a much less literal and much more indirect way.
Which isn't to say that the current state of affairs is acceptable, or that the level of discrimination women face today is okay. It's more an acknowledgment that the struggle for equal standing in American society has made tremendous progress over the past century.
Of course, I do think I'm a bit spoiled; the women I surround myself with tend to be strong, smart, capable, independent, and unwilling to put up with bullshit. Two of my sweeties are currently seeking Ph.D.s in hard sciences; one of my sweeties will have her Master's degree in engineering in a couple of weeks; I have a sweetie who's upper management at a Fortune 500 company and another who's a successful and published sex-tech author. None of these things would have been possible, or even conceivable, even a century ago.
None of that takes away from your point, that these biases still exist and society is still prone to value women on the basis of their sexuality. But it's getting better.
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November 19 2008, 23:23:52 UTC 4 years ago
I have been known to refer to this category of tattoo as a "tramp stamp" because, well... I like how it sounds! rhymes are pleasing to the ear and evocative.... primal stuff there. Are they suggestive of a woman's sexual proclivities? I think so, the cleavage at the top of the ass is a very compelling physical/sexual cue (I believe some research has suggested that the visual similarity is the reason why the peek of breast cleavage is such a powerful sexual image)... and so, to intentionally adorn it tends to lead one to think that a message is being transmitted. Perhaps that may not be the intention of the inkee, but it is natural, I think, to read it as such if no other input is included.
That being said, the terms "tramp" along with "slut" "cunt" "doxy" "wench" "whore" and the myriad of other traditionally derogatory terms for women who are freer within their sexuality than the prevailing social actors would prefer, are for me, very positive descriptors. I like sluts, always have. I don't really use those words, in any serious way, as perjoritves... although within a play environment I might snarl one or two as an epithet, if it would be likely to get her off.
Incidentally, my favourite version of a euphemism for a lower back tattoo on a female person is "Arse Antlers" ... perhaps a Canadian thing? Not a rhyme, but alliteration is fun too.
As for the rad-fem take on porn... yawn... such an old and non-productive discussion, hell if you want to dig deep enough into rad-fem philosophy all male-female penetrative sexual activity is perforce rape. I can barely be bothered to raise an eyebrow for it anymore. There are plenty of feminist thinkers and writers out there who are challenging and independent and vocal and somehow still manage to be hetero-sex positive.
November 20 2008, 05:16:04 UTC 4 years ago
Which, to my mind, is no different from the guy who says he has no respect for any woman who would receive anal sex.
Yes, yes, YES.
November 19 2008, 23:33:07 UTC 4 years ago
Thank you. This was so well written, and I'm bookmarking it for future reference.
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November 20 2008, 00:38:15 UTC 4 years ago
I am so glad...
I saw you on OK Cupid and added you to my friends list. This post just makes me want to meet for coffee even more... or at the very least, I've got tickets for Frolicon next year, perhaps we can share a conversation. You are an incredible, amazing, brilliant and gifted man, and I am grateful that I know you, even if it is only "virtually."November 20 2008, 01:41:01 UTC 4 years ago
Re: I am so glad...
Why, thank you! :) If you do end up making it out to Frolicon, drop me a line; I'll definitely be there!November 20 2008, 01:00:23 UTC 4 years ago
But I hafta say, you lost me there when you started in with an articulate defense of an awfully old meme: "It's feminism's fault." (It's not often you remind me of Dennis Prager, you know? http://shakespearessister.blogspot.c
Those people who came up with the word "tramp stamp"? I'm pretty sure they aren't feminists. The guy who thinks women who enjoy anal sex are whores? He's not a feminist either. (Just ask him, I beg you.) The idea that women should not have self-determination over their bodies and their sexuality is not a feminist idea, it's a patriarchal idea. Most feminists are too busy working on projects like ensuring I make equal pay and have child care to get too exercised about what anybody's doing with their bottles of handlotion out in cyberspace.
But even feminists who dislike pornography dislike it precisely because it has historically been and often still is used as a tool of oppression, used strategically for *taking away* women's self determination. There are plenty of women involved in pornography -- as pornographers and consumers -- who are feminists, self-actualized, doing just what they love to do just the way they love to do it. Carol Queen, Susie Bright, we could both name dozens. More power to 'em.
But there are also women, lots of women, who are coerced into involvement in pornography -- as sex workers or as partners or as consumers -- because they have no other or no better options. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out, and saying it isn't fair and something should be done about it. Everyone ought to have the right to pursue their own version of sexuality without coercion.
But there's a deeper layer still, and that's the layer where people start rolling their eyes: oooh, feminists say all p-v sex is rape, oooh, look how stupid and crazy they are. (I think it was actually Andrea Dworkin who is said to have said this, and anybody who sets her up as their strawwoman should look into what she said exactly, first: http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dwo
But here's the truth buried in the strawstack: inequality between men and women is built -- socialized -- into what we think is hot. All of us. Even the most liberated among us. Women have more fantasies about being "done to" sexually; men have more fantasies about "doing." That's interesting; it means something. It does something to our relationships and our sex lives. And not always something good.
Franklin, I love your writing and thinking about sex. I think it's funny, and clever, and useful, and hot. But I have often had the thought, reading your work, that I wished you were a feminist. That I wish you wrote more interestingly about the gender implications of your own and your partners' sexualities, and about how this plays out for society in general. I wish you pushed your own boundaries in this way. (Gina's article on Onyx turning her into a lesbian? Terrific. And I'd love to read an article on Franklin's experiences playing Onyx in a group full of men. Not to make you gay -- I believe your claims of persistent heterosexuality -- but just for sake of exploration and reportage and just for fun, you know?)
Take a vote. I can't be your only reader who thinks that would be both enlightening and hot. More enlightening and more hot than reading a dazzling vilification of a movement that's fundamentally on the side of you going to bed with whomever wants to go to bed with you.
November 20 2008, 01:39:57 UTC 4 years ago
Those people who came up with the word "tramp stamp"? I'm pretty sure they aren't feminists. The guy who thinks women who enjoy anal sex are whores? He's not a feminist either. (Just ask him, I beg you.) The idea that women should not have self-determination over their bodies and their sexuality is not a feminist idea, it's a patriarchal idea. Most feminists are too busy working on projects like ensuring I make equal pay and have child care to get too exercised about what anybody's doing with their bottles of handlotion out in cyberspace.
Of course they're not, and naturally, I'm not trying to say "it's feminist's fault." I am saying, though, that the folks who did come up with that expression, and who deride women who enjoy anal sex--male misogynists all--share one thing in common with some radical anti-porn feminists: the idea that there are only certain sexual choices a woman "should" make, and that any woman who strays outside those sexual boundaries is worth less because of it.
But even feminists who dislike pornography dislike it precisely because it has historically been and often still is used as a tool of oppression, used strategically for *taking away* women's self determination. There are plenty of women involved in pornography -- as pornographers and consumers -- who are feminists, self-actualized, doing just what they love to do just the way they love to do it. Carol Queen, Susie Bright, we could both name dozens. More power to 'em.
But there are also women, lots of women, who are coerced into involvement in pornography -- as sex workers or as partners or as consumers -- because they have no other or no better options. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out, and saying it isn't fair and something should be done about it. Everyone ought to have the right to pursue their own version of sexuality without coercion.
Yep. Agreed without reservation. That's why I tried to be careful to limit my criticism to those particular feminists who condemn porn across the board, and even to say (in another comment) that the folks who condemn feminism across the board can muddy the water for folks who confine themselves to pointing out flaws and abuses in the porn industry--wich is rather a different thing.
It sounds like you may be seeing a hostility to feminism in what I'm writing, when my criticism really only applies to a very small subset of feminists.
But here's the truth buried in the strawstack: inequality between men and women is built -- socialized -- into what we think is hot. All of us. Even the most liberated among us. Women have more fantasies about being "done to" sexually; men have more fantasies about "doing." That's interesting; it means something. It does something to our relationships and our sex lives. And not always something good.
What's interesting is that even though I take on the dominant role in many of my sexual relationships, my own fantasies often turn to "done to" as often as, or more often, than they turn to "doing."
I get what you're saying, though. I belong to the most privileged race, class, and sex in the country--and arguably in the world. As a white male heterosexual First Worlder, I live in a sea of privilege that I was born into. If I do something exceptional, nobody says "wow, he's amazing for a guy," and if I do something profoundly stupid, it's unlikely anyone will ever say "Well, it just goes to show you about whites." Nobody accuses me of trying to "promote the heterosexual agenda" or of seeking "special rights for men" or any nonsense like that.
And I do understand that being born into this position both endows me with privilege that's largely invisible to me, and also shapes the way I think about and relate to other people.
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November 20 2008, 01:44:52 UTC 4 years ago
Other than that; I've gotta say I love reading your journal. :-D
November 20 2008, 02:31:35 UTC 4 years ago
But I would like to make a note here about my own observations about the use of the term "tramp stamp".
Very few people get tattoos that they do not wish to display (although I can think of a couple of people). Most of the time, tattoos are meant to be seen.
So when a tattoo is placed in or near an area that is typically covered up, or traditionally thought to be an area that *should* be covered up, one can only assume that the wearer of said tattoo wants that body part to be seen.
And, typically, those same types of women *do* wear clothing designed to show off that area of the body, such as low-waisted pants, often paired with the aforementioned high-waisted thong.
Which is not to say the onlookers are justified in their derogatory comments, just saying that the tattoo itself isn't necessarily where the comments come from - it's the fact that they women are "advertising" by wearing sexually flirtatious clothing to show off a body part that, historically, not your average onlooker should have been able to see.
Personally, I don't like the clothing style because it's uncomfortable and impractical, and the women who tend to wear clothing like that also tend to be (in my experience) impractical ... at least the women who come to a manual labor job and then wear jeans too tight to squat in and too low to bend over in are impractical, and I find that to be a character flaw.
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November 20 2008, 11:41:51 UTC 4 years ago
I think this point of view is kind of biased. Let me explain...
If a man has a code of values to which he holds himself to, he would only engange with people who hold a similar code of values. If he expects women to act in a certain way (which is consonent with the way a person would act in accordance with his code of values), then he would be offended if they acted in a way that was against this code, i.e., if his code of values regarded anal sex as deragotory to the person's body and self-worth/self-esteem. If they act in this way, they are, according to his code of values, acting in a sense of self-disrespect, and could only lead to him concluding that they are worthy of disrespect.
However, if someone finds that to be a value, they, of course, would find the person who is willing to take it up the ass very respectful. But to the person who wishes to keep there anus a one-way-street, they would harbor great disrespect for this person.
In both cases, granted, each person could respect the wishes of the person in anal-question to their own anal-sovereignty. However, from what I see from this post, it seems that if you're against anal sex in the moral-volitional-sense, that you must be some kind of bad person, that if you view anal sex to be bad you must think it's a "whore"-ish activity reserved for the whores, and that's wrong. But this simply is not the case. It's your body, you choose what you want to do, regardless of what your boyfriend or girlfriend or someone on the internet says, and if you feel disrespected by having a dick shoved up your ass, then by all means, don't have anal sex.
That's my comment on that part of your post.
November 20 2008, 15:49:02 UTC 4 years ago
People who hold similar values do tend to gravitate toward one another, and there's nothing wrong with that. I would not expect an observant Shi'ite Muslim to marry a porn star, for example. Sexual compatibility includes compatibility in ideas and values around sex.
But something like "A woman would only like anal sex because she has low-self esteem" is an empirical statement, not a value--and it's an empirical statement that can be proven to be false. A person who holds an idea like "I would not date a woman who takes it up the butt because women who take it up the butt have low self-esteem" is falling into the trap of making up an internal story to explain other people's motivations, then passing judgement on other people based on the story he's invented about their motivations. Some people who take it up the butt have low self-esteem; some people do not. By holding on to that idea, that person is in fact prejudiced; he is pre-judging the motivations of folks he doesn't even know.
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