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Okay, so.

I don't like beer.

I don't know how to cook.

I don't know how to brew beer, except that the process involves mashing up some kind of grain at some step along the way. Oh, and I think yeast are involved, too.

I don't know a thing about spices; see reference to "don't know how to cook" above.

Nevertheless, last night I had a dream in which I came up with a new recipe for beer (which, just for the record, I don't even drink). Said recipe involved nutmeg (which I know is a spice of some sort) and curry (which I believe to be a spice of some sort). I brewed large quantities of this beer, which I then loaded into the back of a station wagon, so that I could drive all over merry old England (a country I've never visited) selling it to pubs and bars.

Apparently, it was a big success, and by the end of the dream, Molson Brewing Company (a company I wasn't even sure was real--I had to Google it just now) was negotiating with me to buy the rights to the beer for millions of dollars.

Either I have a secret font of arcane, esoteric knowledge buried deep inside my head somewhere, or someone else has been using my brain while I'm asleep. Would you even put stuff like curry and nutmeg in beer? I have no idea.


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polydad
Aug. 15th, 2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
Curry is not a specific spice, but a mix of spices. I've tasted it used in a beer once; was not to my tastes, but with a sample size of one I don't know if that's because I don't like curry-beer, or because I don't like *that* curry-beer.

There's a medieval English beer recipe that involves cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg, and cloves, and, oddly enough, no grain, which makes it problematic as to whether it's even appropriate to call it beer, but they did. And apparently drank it and liked it.

I would be delighted to make use of your brain if it's available, but I do have major consent issues and have not so far used it, as your consent has been lacking. If you'd *like* me to use it, by all means send it along.

best,

Joel
winterlady
Aug. 15th, 2008 06:05 pm (UTC)
Are you thinking of Mead? - I think, from my esoteric font of arcane knowledge in my unconsciousness, that it's made with honey, instead of hops. Which I would probably enjoy a great deal, now that I ponder on it.
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sxyvixen
Aug. 15th, 2008 04:48 pm (UTC)
Scary.

I believe those would be flavors added to create a beer. Would I put them together? I don't know about that, but then I'm not a curry fan so I could be wrong, they might go together fabulously.

They add lots of things to make the final flavors of beer.

Interesting dream!
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madamruppy
Aug. 15th, 2008 05:01 pm (UTC)
Oy woman, watch it there. Don't lump us all together, some of us appreciate real bear.

Having said that nutmeg could go with a nice wheat beer. Don't know about the curry. Although I do like beer when I'm eating curry.
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tedeisenstein
Aug. 15th, 2008 04:54 pm (UTC)
Would you even put stuff like curry and nutmeg in beer?

No, not if you're like most beer drinkers. There might be one or two people with really odd taste buds who might, but in all the years I've been reading up on the subject and hanging out with brewers and vintners, I've never heard mention of either curry or nutmeg going into beer. I could see nutmeg maybe, if you're going for a really odd taste, but definitely not curry, no, never.

There is a type of beer called "lambic", though, that has fruit or fruit juice added during the fermentation, and some people like to add a bit of lime or lime juice to their drink, but no curry, no nutmeg. As far as I know.


(True Beer, by the way, should be nothing but barley or wheat, water, yeast, and hops.)
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pstscrpt
Aug. 15th, 2008 04:54 pm (UTC)
I don't like beer, either, but it is more-or-less liquid bread, so maybe either curry or nutmeg could be good. I'm having trouble picturing anything with both cumin (an ingredient in curry) and nutmeg being good, though.
7owti5
Aug. 15th, 2008 05:24 pm (UTC)
That sounds... strangely yummy. Pair it with walnuts and cheese? Maybe some naan with raita?

I have a feeling this is something you can add to your long list of interesting talents!
winterlady
Aug. 15th, 2008 06:08 pm (UTC)
I've had this experience. I was a teenager and, really, not artistically inclined at all - but I dreamed once that I could draw the head of a horse. I very consciously, in my dream, sketched out the lines and saw the shape come to life.

I woke up and drew the horse just once. And I couldn't repeat it if I tried, now. But it was pretty cool then. :)


zotmeister
Aug. 19th, 2008 04:10 pm (UTC)
That reminds me of the story of the composer that dreamt a symphony and started writing down the music upon awakening, but in the process had a knock on the door from a visitor and forgot the rest... - ZM
polylizzy
Aug. 15th, 2008 06:13 pm (UTC)
or you been watching the sale of budweiser on the news, playing wow too much or been hangin with amateur brewers.

i am an amateur brewer,
curry and nutmeg are spices. I have made a cinnamon, pear and nutmeg and clove mead (honey beer, no grain).

dont know about the station wagon though, that is perplexing unless you happen to own one lol.
sterno
Aug. 15th, 2008 06:35 pm (UTC)
That sounds tasty!
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beerjudge
Aug. 15th, 2008 06:17 pm (UTC)
I judged a Nutmeg Wheat beer at a competition. It was OK.

Wikipedia says:
"Most recipes and producers of curry powder usually include coriander, turmeric, cumin, and fenugreek in their blends. Depending on the recipe, additional ingredients such as ginger, garlic, fennel seed, cinnamon, clove, mustard seed, green cardamom, black cardamom, mace, nutmeg, red pepper, long pepper, and black pepper may also be added."
By themselves, I've tasted about half of those spices in a beer...but all together? I have my doubts.
delphinea
Aug. 15th, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)
This comment isn't about beer, but about drinking. The URL below goes to an article I read earlier today that mentions an alcoholic concoction that includes nutmeg.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/10558?cnn=yes
cjhm
Aug. 15th, 2008 08:04 pm (UTC)
Uh - Molson??? You don't know MOLSON???? It's C-eh-n-eh-di-eh-n beer is their biggest seller!

sheesh
I think all that beer has gone to your head ;-P
joreth
Aug. 15th, 2008 08:58 pm (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer

"Beer is an alcoholic beverage produced by brewing and the fermentation of starches derived from cereals. The most common cereal for beer brewing is malted barley although wheat, corn, and rice are also widely used usually in conjunction with barley. Most beer is flavoured with hops, which add bitterness and act as a natural preservative. Occasionally, other ingredients such as herbs or fruit may also be included in the brewing process. Alcoholic beverages fermented from non-starch sources such as grape juice (wine) or honey (mead) are not classified as beer.

...

The invention of bread and beer has been argued to be responsible for humanity's ability to develop technology and build civilization

...

The basic ingredients of beer are water; a fermentable starch source, such as malted barley; and yeast. It is common for a flavouring to be added, the most popular being hops. A mixture of starch sources may be used, with the secondary starch source, such as corn, rice and sugar, often being termed an adjunct, especially when used as a lower cost substitute for malted barley. Less widely used starch sources include millet, sorghum and cassava root in Africa, potato in Brazil, and agave in Mexico, among others.

...

Lambic beers, a speciality of Belgian beers, use wild yeasts, rather than cultivated ones. Many of these are not strains of brewer's yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae), and may have significant differences in aroma and sourness. Yeast varieties such as Brettanomyces bruxellensis and Brettanomyces lambicus are quite common in lambics. In addition, other organisms such as Lactobacillus bacteria produce acids which contribute to the sourness.

...

Lambic is a very distinctive type of beer brewed only in the Pajottenland region of Belgium (southwest of Brussels).

Unlike conventional ales and lagers, which are fermented by carefully cultivated strains of brewer's yeasts, Lambic beer is instead produced by spontaneous fermentation: it is exposed to the wild yeasts and bacteria that are said to be native to the Senne valley, in which Brussels lies. It is this unusual process which gives the beer its distinctive flavour: dry, vinous, and cidery, with a slightly sour aftertaste)"

- "the De Kluis brewery, makes no secret of its employment of Curacao orange peels and coriander, but declines to disclose a third spice. My guess has always been cumin seeds ... called Benedict, but its classic dark beer is Forbidden Fruit, at 1080. This is both spiced with coriander and heavily hopped. It has a herbal, spicy, vanilla-like, dark-chocolate taste, sweet at first, then dry in the finish."

joreth
Aug. 15th, 2008 08:58 pm (UTC)
http://www.beerhunter.com/documents/19133-000715.html - " neatly named Snapdragon. This is brewed from two styles of barley-malt, three varieties of hops and a Chinese blend of "five mysterious spices". Ginger seems to be there again, along with coriander, orange, cinnamon and something in the anis-licorice department. ... There is a tradition of spicing ales with ginger. ... At Maclay's, in Alloa, Scotland, Bruce Williams produces the flowery Fraoch Heather Ale and Grozet, a refreshingly tart. goosebeery beer bittered with bog myrtle, a very traditional ingredient. Another chateau beer; the Jacobite Ale of Traquair House, at Innerleithen, near Peebles, prefers a spicing of coriander.
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There may have been a time when no spices or herbs were used in British brewing but both ginger and licorice, along with tree-harks and various peppers, were widely used in the 1800s and 1700s. ... The addition of spices and herbs to confer dry aromas and flavours, balancing the sweetness of malt, predates the employment of hops for that purpose by British brewers, in the 1500s. Plants like sweet gale, rosemary and yarrow continued to he used long after hopped beer became common. Spices and herbs are still widely employed in the Low Countries, whence we were introduced to the hopping habit."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxsVuHXXd5E - video of home brewer & beer taster talking about spices in beer, specifically coriander and dried lemon peel and when the spices are added to the brewing process.

http://www.beertown.org/events/wbc/competition/reg_info/style_descr.html - World Beer Cup Competition Info, includes specifics for the herb and spice beer category. Includes categories for beers such as Fruit Beer, Fruit Wheat Beer, Vegetable Beer, Pumpkin Beer, Herb and Spice Beer, Chocolate/Cocoa Flavored Beer, Coffee Flavored Beer, 5 different subcategories of Smoke Flavored Beer and more.

http://www.undergrounddigital.com/flavorings.htm - Herbs and Spices for Brewing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjunct_(beer) - "A number of traditional beer styles are brewed with spices. For example, Belgian witbier is brewed with coriander, Finnish sahti is brewed with juniper berries, and traditional beers in Britain are brewed with honey and spices. Also, some strong winter beers are flavoured with nutmeg and/or cinnamon, while ginger is a popular flavouring for a range of beers. Many commercially available pumpkin ales are made with pumpkin pie spices without any actual pumpkin. ... Spices used in brewing include: Allspice; Anise; Cinnamon; Clove; Coriander; Ginger; Hot pepper; Juniper berries or boughs; Licorice; Nutmeg; Orange or Lemon peel; Spruce needles or twigs (see spruce beer); Yarrow. Other, less common flavourings include chocolate, coffee, milk, chile peppers and even oysters. ...Fruits have been used as a beer adjunct or flavouring for centuries, especially with Belgian lambic styles. Cherry, raspberry, and peach are a common addition to this style of beer."

I could not, however, find any references to beer made with all the spices that make up curry. The closest I could find was a brand of beer called UCB "Ultimate Curry Beer", which is merely a beer judged to be the best compliment to a curry meal.

Heh, and I don't even drink alcohol.
cheerilyxmorbid
Aug. 15th, 2008 09:12 pm (UTC)
Nutmeg is a common ingredient in pumpkin ales. I don't think anybody's put curry powder in beer. Curry powder is not water soluble, which would probably make brewing a beer with it difficult.

And you, driving a station wagon? *sporfle*
datan0de
Aug. 15th, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
Hey, that reminds me! I've got some pumpkin beer in the fridge at home right now! Good stuff!
datan0de
Aug. 15th, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
Either I have a secret font of arcane, esoteric knowledge buried deep inside my head somewhere, or someone else has been using my brain while I'm asleep.

Your myelin is degrading. The freaky dreams are caused by cross chatter between proximate brain cells. At this point your neural pattern is already corrupted to the point where making a backup would be pointless. As it progresses you'll start experiencing waking synesthesia, followed by Parkinson's-like tremors, an inability to concentrate, and eventually a total loss of motor function followed by an agonizing death that I'm told closely mimics what a roach feels as it succumbs to a Propoxur-based insecticide.

Hypothetically, of course.
tacit
Aug. 15th, 2008 10:42 pm (UTC)
Apropos of nothing, and on a completely unrelated note, I just finished transferring some new ring tones to my iPhone! I even set one up for you.
peristaltor
Aug. 16th, 2008 07:14 pm (UTC)
Paul McCartney supposedly dreamed Mick Jagger singing a tune, and woke up to write the tune that became "Yesterday." Either Crick or Watson supposedly dreamt of a spiral staircase, a dream that helped interpret the DNA structure.

Since you know so little about the topic, though, think of yourself as James Crick dreaming about a Mick Jagger song, a mismatch from which the beer drinking world may never recover.

It sounds weird but promising. Pity.
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